CHRISTIE HAYES DAILY | Tuesday August 4, 2026

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Today we're recording from Lutra Witter. I pay my respects to elders, past and present, and I acknowledge that sovereignty was never ceded. I am of the Birapai people, and I'm proud to use my voice to honor the strength, stories, and resilience of my ancestors, whose culture has continued for more than 65,000 years, because it always was and always will be Aboriginal land.

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It's Christy Bitch.

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She's the former home and a wastear who shone in Summer Babe for more than 500 episodes. But after her time by the beach came to an end, Christy Hayes found another passion behind the mic.

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Prime Minister, what does your government feel about that? Will we see this Royal Commission? There's calls for Royal Commission about everything. Well, I think deaths of women are pretty paramount. But you've got to work out what does a Royal Commission do besides fun lawyers? Let's happy Justin. But he brought home something yesterday, and it's those beautiful iced bulbs, you know, the beautiful. It is the world that I see the way he is so different. And I think that the world needs to be more patient with people that live with autism. Any parent out there knows what it's like to have an autistic child. There are wonderful days, but there's also really hard days. It's Christy Bitch. We're back.

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We are back. They said we'd never make it. Episode two.

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That's so sweet that you said that. That's been like a running gag that my beautiful co-host Dan and I used to say before when we were at Little Duo together. Well, not a little duo, we did great things. Miss him, love him. So glad you're here though. Uh thank you for joining Christy Hayes, our new show. Uh, this is my husband Justin, by the way, if you're new to the show. And we love Hubby Justin, as I have called him for years. He's a good guy, a green flag. And I just thought I'd start the episode just to say that it looks like you have got, speaking of green flags, it looks like you've got the green tick, if you will, you've got the seal of approval. I've received some nice messages about oh well, you seem so surprised. Did you think everyone would hate you? That's so embarrassing. Did you? I know what it's like, right? When you are on when you're talking and everyone just hates you or sends you.

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Yeah, but I also don't care if people hate me. I love them if I love people if people love me. I think that's wonderful. But if they hate me, I don't care.

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You're pretty resilient. Like you're not that guy that cares about what people say about you. You're old enough and have learned enough that people say what's the birthday, so you don't even want to be in these videos that that you're cutting, do you? You don't even care about being in social media videos, which is. I don't know.

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I'm happy to just sit in the background and just yeah, support the uh support the powerful woman in my life.

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Oh, that's very sweet. And what about me?

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What do you think about that?

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Well, some of the messages that I got from you, it looks like uh everyone's enjoying your work on this show. So thank you very much for your time because you're a great talent and you're a great person and a great husband and a great father and and great at other things as well. But I won't make it weird for people. I got a message from a lovely guy who listens to our show. Shout out to Raw KT. I don't actually know how to say his name, that's his Instagram handle. But he did say that uh Hubby Justin's got the seal of approval and you've passed the audition test 100%. And also Albo is a wanker.

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That's just what he said.

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So um, that was a nice little thing that I thought you might like. The girls love you by the looks of it too. You know, the the women that listen to our show, uh, I've got some really nice messages from Dion. She said, listened this morning to you and Hubby Justin. Loved episode one. Keep being the awesome human that you are, tackling the hard topics with so much grace, which I thought was really sweet. Shout out to Sarah. Sarah, she listens to our show too, and she said that uh she really loved listening that you and Hubby Justin work so well together and just various things like that.

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So I thought that you might like to, you know, so so it's almost time for me to branch off into my own show now, isn't it?

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Well, let's not go too far. I mean, you can if you want to. No, thanks.

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No, no, no. I'm happy here. I'm happy, I'm happy here. Uh but that's lovely, thank you. And please, you know, um send us messages, especially nice messages. We love nice messages.

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It's look, it's nice and thank you for taking that time out of your day.

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Yeah.

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I know a lot of people, everyone is so busy. So taking two seconds just to leave a nice comment and offer us that support uh really means the world to us. So um just wanted to say thanks for that. And I thought it was a cute little moment just to let you know, Justin, Hubby Justin, that we're really happy that you are coming along for the ride on on the Christy Hayes show. And uh I guess I'm excited about whatever you're excited about. I mean, there's things about Justin that you'll get to know throughout the course of this series too. And look, Hubby Justin doesn't really want to do every episode with me in the nicest of ways. I mean, uh, if we have guests on that we're talking to which you feel you know can be.

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I'm happy to always take a step back. And yeah, it's it's fine. But at the same time, uh, you know, I love being here. It's not something it's this isn't a chore for me. This is this is fantastic. I love it.

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You're highly creative too. Yeah. Which is fun. Hey, and that's very handy for me since you're doing all of this for free. So maybe I'll have to, I don't know, pay you in kind or something like that. Well, it's not only don't have much money at the moment now that I lost my job. So today is the fourth of August, and ironically, the number four is mine and Justin's lucky number. Yeah. Four has been a thing for us over the years, hasn't it? Four came from the fact that there were so many reasons, wasn't there? Four came from the fact that we were born four days apart. Yep. Uh the the the numerology, if you will, of the date that we got together. There was two plus two, obviously that equals four, and and just other things, right?

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It all came, and plus the boys' birthdays.

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The boys are born on the fourth. Uh, Hendrix is the fourth of October, uh, and Harley's the fourth of September. And the fourth of August represents a date that married so beautifully to that, and something that Justin and I were so tremendously excited about. And this happened to us at the end of 2023, but today is a hard day for us because today is the day that our baby was due.

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Yeah.

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We should have a two-year-old today.

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We should. We should. And you know, so let's let's put let's bring everyone up to speed. Um obviously at that particular time you and I were going through IBF and we were getting ready for a uh for a transfer. We were preparing for it. Um and then this is this is towards the end of the year, and then uh towards the end of 2022.

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Twenty-three.

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Twenty-three, sorry. Um we were getting ready for a transfer, but you hadn't you hadn't actually got your period. So we were waiting for we're waiting for this because you in order to start the process we had to do this. And then um what was uh an absolute shock to us going through um IVF for what we were, uh it turned out that you had become pregnant naturally. So we were absolutely beside ourselves. We we couldn't we couldn't believe it. It was uh it was a miracle on miracles as far as we were concerned, and um our our little and we we'll obviously refer to her uh as sunflower because that's what we have always referred to her as sunflower was due um on this day, which uh again would have been fourth of August ahead of fourth of September for Harley and ahead of fourth of October for for for Hendricks. So when we come when we come to this milestone now, it's it it is a little bit bittersweet at times because we we uh are lucky enough to that we were blessed, you know, through IVF with with Goldie, who is snoring in the background here as uh as we as we do this, but it's still also a a massive massive hole that was put into our heart. Um losing uh losing sunflower to miscarriage it it's funny, isn't it, that terminology losing and lost.

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And I've said this before, you know, I've lost things in my time, I've lost I've lost keys. Yeah, you can vouch for that. Yes, you have lost. I've lost car keys, I've lost my handbag, I've lost friends, I've lost relationships, I've lost jobs. And then the terminology that exists with uh the devastating miscarriage of a child being ripped away from you when we say we we lose a baby, it feels so unnatural, doesn't it? Because we did everything in our power to keep and retain and protect and have our baby. And when we come to this day on the 4th of August, which we will have to face every single year for the rest of our lives, and that's what grief is. There's milestone dates for people that have lost someone else that they love that might be a birthday or an anniversary or a day of delivery. Yeah, I remember the first time I just said to Justin, I said, I don't know how I'm gonna get through today. Like we are supposed to have a one-year-old, we should be celebrating that. And uh we were pregnant. Well, I was pregnant, but we were expecting Marigold, our beautiful daughter, which obviously did take away an element of that pain, but just the the reconciliation that that that that baby should be with us now, as Justin said, there is always a void that is so impossible to fill. And we called our baby Sunflower. As Justin said, we found out that I was pregnant naturally, and ironically, we just dropped, you know, what ten thousand dollars for an IVF round, and we were terrified and we wouldn't get the money back. But then, but then we thought, you know what, even if they say no, who cares? Yeah, we wanted the baby. We were gonna pay for it anyway. Um, and to let you know what happened, we we uh found out I was pregnant. We told our wonderful IVF facilitator that we were expecting they did refund us the money, and then we had Sunflower taken.

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Yeah.

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And then the easy come, easy go situation, as you would think, is in like it was easy come, easy go, like it she was there for such a brief period of time, but it has just stayed, and we say she, we don't know whether the baby was a girl, but we just we just know you know, you just know and um it doesn't get any easier the first year that we had uh the sunfl our sunflowers due date. We and I'm not proud of this because we anticipated uh and they didn't survive, which is you know, it just makes me feel like shit. But I mean you have to laugh at the irony, right? Because we planted sunflower seeds, yeah. Um and the flowers, I don't even know what friggin' happened to them.

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Oh, we were terrible parents to those sunflower seeds. I'm sorry. But we kind of just stuck them in the ground and left them. But um well, we're not gardeners, we're not green thumbs.

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No, we're not, we're not. And the ceremonial component was really nice, but when you go back to when we found out about our baby, we were so over the movement, we were just gloriously excited.

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Can I uh look one thing I want to point out with this too, and uh because you touched on it, you know, the loss. There's there's loss and there's loss. Um Goldie is a gift to us. Marigold Mays, you know, uh we're wanted and uh it it it does it it might make the pain a little less, but it doesn't make the loss any less by her coming uh, you know, her coming along. Um we still lost uh you know we we we lost a a baby that we were trying for for for so long that blessed us that we were excited about we um yeah we w we were there we we we were you know we we had started the race towards the finish line and and I I don't think you know I I I think when a baby comes along in whatever stage there um because we've gone through IVF rounds that haven't worked in the you know in the past and there's a bit of difference I think with that because that that's that's an embryo that hasn't stuck, it hasn't done its thing, it it's devastating when it happens because we we we're trying so hard for it, but it is very different. But this this was one that had stuck, this is one that was there, this was one that were you know that that was uh doing its thing and and coming along and gonna happen. And and when it didn't, when it when it was ripped from us, it was just i i it is uh uh unsurmountable loss, you know, uh the the the pain. When you told me uh so let's revisit this this moment.

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This was w one of the the mo one of the the And I'm still sorry to this day for the way that I told you when I think about how unfair it was, but I just wanted you to know as soon as I knew because I didn't think it was fair to wait, you know.

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I was um I was driving out of Kmart car park um to get me maternity clothes to get you maternity clothes.

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And he couldn't find any, and I said to him, Well, have you looked in the maternity section? And he went back into Kmart all happy eating to go and look for some clothes, and I got a phone call from the doctor because I wouldn't stop bleeding, and I just said, Just call me. They did that HCG level test to test whether it was still okay, and it was dropped and it dropped and it dropped, and I I called you.

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You called me as I was driving just in the car, and I was I I was elated, I was so happy, you know. We we had been on cloud nine, you know, up until that moment. Um, you know, even texting, you know, during the day and all different things, and we're because we were the only ones that knew we hadn't told anyone, it was you know, it was us, and we were we were celebrating, we were quietly celebrating. Um the the feeling I had when you told me was uh uh having my insides ripped out, like it was my chest, my heart, my breath, everything was to w was taken away, you know, in that moment, to the point where, you know, and this is not a this is this is not me cracking a funny here, but at the point where uh I couldn't go back to that Kmart for such for such a long period of time, and even now when I go back there it's it's an awful feeling. Like it's it's it's just and and every time I'm pulling out of that car park now, uh it is I I revisit that moment and it's I I think what's important here and I think talking about this now uh without hijacking this conversation I I think I I'm hoping there's some guys out there that are listening that have I'm hoping you haven't gone through this, but if you have gone through this that you realize that it's okay to feel like shit sometimes it's on us to to be the supportive one and to, you know, and and try and you know uh counsel our partners through these things and try to be the strong one sometimes and and feel you know that we have to do that. And I that's not a masculinity thing, that's it, that's a thing of trying to support um you know our partners who physically have gone through this, you know, they're the physical side of of the pregnancy have gone through this, whereas we're the emotional side that that has gone through this. I want guys out there to know that it's okay to fucking not accept it as as being alright and let's get back on the horse and move on. It it it's you know cry about it, talk about it.

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Yeah the way that I heard my husband cry um when you know I we were when you were driving away from that friggin' Kmart, I I'd never heard a cry like that before.

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It was a wail.

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He was wailing.

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And I still I I vividly remember it.

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Yeah. It was so painful. It we and he came home and and we just both cried and we're in shock and we were angry. I was angry afterwards, and he was angry afterwards, and we couldn't believe it. And and as as he said, we we didn't keep this to a secret to ourselves afterwards because we wanted to we wanted to tell the world about our baby, we couldn't wait, and we thought, my god, if we don't speak about this now and tell people that she was here, then it's like well, it's like she was taking away from us twice. Yeah, and I received so much love and support, and yes, he did too, but not in the capacity that that you would hope, because people just don't we don't live in that world, and I think people need to talk about it more and especially people didn't talk about it with me, yeah.

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And and why is that? Why don't they come and I don't know. Um I I I kind of felt even at work when you know, um, I kind of felt like people sort of just danced around and sort of avoided conversations with me as opposed to, you know, coming in and not everyone, because you know, um we well there's one particular person uh you know at work who gave us a beautiful gift who had been through that themselves and understood and and that was so beautiful.

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She gave us an amazing uh Christmas ball ball because you know, naturally we lost a baby at Christmas time, the worst time that you can have something devastating happen. I mean, I mean it's always a devastating time, but especially the festive period when you've got to put a smile on and we had to take the boys for their Santa photo, my god, and you look at that photo and you just see pain behind behind our eyes.

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I remember when she handed me that and I and I opened her because not a physical person with anyone at work, you know, but I I I remember just wrapping my arms around her and giving her a big hug and just saying thank you because was the only person that came to me um over the you know through that and acknowledge the fact that it's also it's also a loss for the guy or the partner, you know, not it doesn't have to be a guy, you know.

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If you're in a same-sex relationship, it's a it's a loss for that person too. It's a loss for the partner, it's a loss for both of you. It's a loss for just you if you are going through this alone or went through it alone, or m and you don't even have anyone around you that can walk up and give you a cuddle.

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Yeah.

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And um if if people are living this now and going through this particular hell because it's such a gut-wrenching tragedy, or maybe you're on the other side of it now, what are some things that you wish people came up and said to you? I wish people normalized how okay it was to publicly cry. I felt great when I cried. It's hard to not cry, right? You feel like shit when you need to sneak off to the bathroom or you need to just cover it up. Like it's cathartic to have tears. We are designed to physicalise our feelings. They are designed in a healthy way. Um, that's why we cry when we are in pain. That's why we cry when we are sad. Our body is designed to have a release. It's like the rain, it's like precipitation. It you know, it comes down, it goes back up. Like our it's a cycle, it's like the ocean in and out. Like we are designed with fluid for this to be our natural course of design. And I wished people would say that more to me. I loved when people told me their stories and gave us hope, and that was beautiful. But when you're in that moment, what do you um what do you wish that you heard more so that people that are going through this now or maybe have someone in their life going through it? So that what can what do you think we need to say more to one another?

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Well, I I think, you know, and let's let me say there was uh an overwhelming amount of support. Like there was support. We weren't left on our own, you know, there was support. But I tell you what it was for me uh a lot of the time. It's I had a lot of people say to me, How's Christy? Is she okay? Can we do anything? I don't have anyone actually say, How are you? Oh well I okay, let me let me rephrase it. There were people, um mama, yeah, you know, my beautiful mother-in-law is uh, you know, she would always check in with me. I got we got lovely messages from from your sisters and things like that. So I wasn't left out totally. But it was it but it was you know, to the overwhelming majority, it was how's Christy? How's she doing? Which uh Yeah I I want, obviously, because that was me, I was uh you know, as as your protector, you know, wanting to make sure that you're okay. But it I didn't really realize that until well and truly after the fact, you know, until you stop and you you know the cloud clears a little bit and you go, No one actually said How are you? How are you? What can I do for you? So if there are people out there and they are going through this, check in with both parties, please. Check in with w with both parties, make sure the couple are okay. You know, because they're not and they're They're not okay.

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They're not okay.

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They're not okay. And let them not be okay. You know, let people not be okay. It's okay to not be okay, you know.

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Yeah.

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In a scenario like that, there's no pat on the back, get back up, you'll be alright. Everything's, you know, there's a silver line. That's bullshit. You know, in that scenario. It is there's there's no silver lining, there's no anything like that. In that moment, everything's just grey and you just you just you just you just want people there.

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You're just uh hurting and you're sad and you're lonely and you're confused and you're in shock and and anyone who is going through grief or has walked this path, your eyes, I don't know about you, but like you can't see properly. I I felt you know when you wake up from a really shitty sleep or dare I say in the days when we used uh hangover and you got that glare and it's like you need sunnies because you just can't see properly because grief makes you so foggy in the mind and it's you just don't see with clarity, it's blurry, it's hard to navigate.

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Well, it affects you physically.

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It does so it it absolutely affects you physically. It affects you it affects your eyesight, it affects the way you breathe, it affects all these things. Yeah, it there's a lot of physicality attached to to that, absolutely.

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And so as he as Justin just said, and as a we want to remind you, just talk about it. Like if someone that you know or you are going through this horrific pregnancy, I'm not gonna say loss, pregnancy theft. Yeah, because it's stolen from you. Just normalize, just saying, hey, I I just need to cry with you, can I just gonna cry with you, or um, I just need to cry right now, or hey, no, I'm upset and I'm angry and I'm really shocked. Can we just be weird together and let's watch a real can you make me laugh? Because I'm not doing okay. Check in with your friends and and just talk about it more like because you would be astounded by how many people it affects when I publicly spoke about us and what happened with Sunflower. I was overwhelmed. I mean, as as Justin just talked about, you know, I I mean I had in the thousands of messages and I read every single one of them. I didn't get back to every single one of them, but my god, I took comfort in in hating the fact that we were going through it together, but a great comfort in the fact that it was a language that that we all spoke. I didn't want us to speak that language, but I certainly could speak it, and I know that you could too. So let's just kind of normalize um being in it together and know that there will come a time. The date of the baby today for us is that date, it's the fourth of August. And I didn't buy sunflower seeds today for us to replant. We didn't do a great job, like you said. But um, we own a sunflower today and all the babies lost along the way by remembering them and saying their names, and that's why we're all so involved with Red Set Go, which is for Red Nose Australia. We're out there walking three kilometres every day to raise money and vital research and counselling for people that have lost a baby, uh, whether that be through pregnancy or uh through SIDs or other horrific statistics that we see. So normalize it, talk about it, and just know that you're not alone. And if you do need support as well, something Justin and I did, which we found a great comfort, was uh had to miscarriage Australia. I also listened to Pink Elephants. Yeah. It's another wonderful podcast, and I was lucky enough to do an episode of their podcast because you're not alone. We wish that you were. We wish that no one else went through this, but you're not.

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But you're not Christy Hachel.

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All right, we've had a little cry, had some tears.

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Dried the tears.

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Dried the tears, laughter through the tears. But that's why he and I do, Hubby Justin, and I do well, and that's the way you you've got to do it. And we were just having the best weekend too, because we have our beautiful family, and life is good at the moment. And as you said to us, the universe has kind of given us everything that we wanted, but it didn't spoil us. Yeah. We've got the things that we've asked for, we have within reason. Within reason. We haven't been spoilt, we don't dare ask for more. We've got a we've got a good little life going on here. We've got a beautiful little home that we're renovating, the kids are good, life's good, we're healthy, we're happy. Like, what more can you want, right? Brian Cranston, my favorite actor, as you know, you know what I'm gonna say, right? And it's true. Remember this quote, friends, even get it tattooed because I'm certainly considering it. Keep your profession, let's try that again. Keep your personal life sane so that you can go insane in your professional life. Yeah. That means like he went to the Emmys, won an Emmy or a Golden Globe, went home and took out the trash.

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Yeah.

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The the the more calm you can keep your personal home life, the the freer you can be in your professional life, right? So it's it's a great um old adage, if you will. And I I really like that because that's kind of where we're at now in our life. And it was funny when we talk about things with babies and family and fertility and all the shit that we've been through with fertility, because our baby girl is eight months old and well, eight and a half. Eight and a half months old.

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Yeah, so she yeah, so the 19th of this month, she she's nine months, which is just oh A, I can't believe how quick the time's gone. B, I can't get over how big she's getting because she's just growing out of absolutely everything at the moment.

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Everything's so cute, though.

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All the stuff we bought, you know, the car seats, the bassinets, the bath, the Ellie Dodgers stuff that you want to buy her, the baseball things that you've bought her.

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She's such a daddy's girl, isn't she? She is.

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She is a daddy's girl, absolutely.

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And you know what, and you deserve to have this incredible baby girl as trying for a baby, and our hope is that your baby comes along whenever he or she is ready. We never thought we would get Goldie. I gave up hope after four rounds of IVF. Hubby Justin kept the faith, but as we touched on before, she was our fourth round. She was our lucky number four, and and she does just complete us, and we're so in love with her, and she's so in love with her brothers, and her brothers are so in love with her. But we did have a little moment after the weekend, right? And I've got a grab of this now. I want you to take a listen. So I I just said, Oh my god, no, this is impossible. This is impossible. But I did chat GPT it, I've Googled it, and apparently it might be possible that our baby girl, who's only eight and a half months old, is right now saying mom.

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Mum! Are you saying mum?

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Mummy! Mum, my clever baby girl, Mama, Mummy, that's right, Mama, Mum, not daddy. Mum.

SPEAKER_06 29:00

That's not a I mean it's a bit of a babble. No, but I don't think she's just I think she understands I'm her mum. Like, that's mum, right? It's definitely not dad. No, it's not. Or Nana. Sorry, mum, my mum, if you're listening.

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Look, let's just put it, she uh at that time she's got the uh Mrs. McGillicarty mouth going, like the no-thing. Uh you know, and the she's very called. Like her dentures have come out and like she's got it all. So it is kind of mum mum mum mum mum. Um yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 29:28

It's mum mum mum.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Yeah, I think she's saying mum. I don't think she's saying mum. I think she's gonna say dad first.

SPEAKER_06 29:35

Oh, she's not gonna say dad first, she's gonna say mum. That I think that's a perfect grab of her actually saying mum. Do I think she understands what she's saying? I don't know. I took her to swimming lessons the other day, right? Uh Justin and I rotate taking Goldie now to swimming because we thought, you know, Australia, I've got to get the kids swimming as soon as possible. We started her at like three months old. Um, our friend Jody, she's her swimming teacher. It's so bloody cute with the babies, and she does really well. She knows to hold her breath under the water, all that stuff. Like very different to our time as kids when you just get thrown in the friggin' ocean or the water and just have to deal with it, right? Like you just teach yourself to swim.

SPEAKER_03 30:11

Which I still haven't done.

SPEAKER_06 30:13

Yeah, exactly. Um, you're not great in the water. No offense, babe. Sorry, I wasn't, you know, it's not a roast of you. That's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

But no, but that's why I want Goldie to learn to swim. I need somebody to be up to save me.

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And so anyway, we took her to swimming. Um, she wasn't having a great morning, which is weird because she normally does, but in her distress, she goes, Mum, mum, mum, mum, mum, mum, mum. Um, and even Jody, her swimming teacher, went, she just said mum.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

See, I I I wasn't there for this particular lesson. Didn't need to be. I reckon it was more of a blop, blop blob, blop, blob. I'm stuck under the water.

SPEAKER_06 30:47

I really hope my daughter never makes that noise. I don't know what the hell that was. But anyway, I thought it's pretty cool if this is a milestone moment, right? If she say mum already. Because they say statistically, babies will say dad first because the d is easier to say is easier to say. Uh the d. It's not a great analogy, sorry, but it is the C.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

So the d Christy.

SPEAKER_06 31:11

The d, yeah, yeah. Um, however, they get there. I don't bloody care. All I know is that it's nice to hear it. And it's funny because Hendrix, my oldest boy, you know, so Hendrix is our boy, and Hendy's highly autistic. He's level three autistic. And Hendrix didn't say the word mum until he was three. Yeah. Three and a half. And I still remember I waited so much. Now he says it constantly.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

He doesn't stop saying it now.

SPEAKER_06 31:36

That's great. That's right. So I just, you know, just have some hope out there if you have a non-verbal child. In our experience, of course. I mean, I know it's different for everyone, but I like us to remind you that there's hope out there because um it seems so overwhelming and daunting that it's never gonna happen. And but then, you know, Handy's coming along his own pace and he's starting to talk now. He doesn't speak in sentences, sentences, but he can speak word for word and he understands everything. And we're, you know, he's 12 in October on October the 4th, and we're getting there. Yeah. So we got one kid um that doesn't really talk, another one that doesn't shut up in Harvard. Yeah, but I reckon that baby girl Goldie is on the way. And look, she's our daughter, she might belong behind a microphone. I reckon she's gonna have a podcast one day for sure. Yeah, but it'll just be like bitching about us. Like, ugh.

SPEAKER_04 32:21

No, I'll be on it with her.